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March 27, 2008

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All my deer are bowshot so no worries, but this could be one hell of a problem!

Glad to see you posted this info Mike as I'm sure your blog members are obviously venision eaters (as are their families).

What about lead from slugs and muzzleloader bullets? Is the velocity too slow to cause these problems, is it just a certain brand/type of high velocity ammo?

Like you said, lots of questions, not many concrete answers.

I hope the pantry programs won't just throw the venison out without @ least checking the meat first.

I would imagine that solid copper bullets will see a boost in sales from stories like these, that's for sure.

Jim

what about a lead slug with less velocity and fragmentation in a deer?

joe, i assume slug-shot deer meat is OK. BTW one of those articles said the doctor recommended bullets that mushroom more rather than break up...i respect his medical authority, but I have to wonder/question his ballistics expertise

Jim, thanks again. yes, copper and other bullets will probably soar in sales, how much do those cost a box, plenty?? but really this could be a GIANT problem, if so it is not confined to ND, hell it would apply to rifle shot deer anywhere!

all i have ever used are pure lead bullets and me and my family have been eating deer burger for 40 years and we're still kicking!if the cigarettes and liquor don't kill you now the deer meat will I guess! at least i quit smoking!

Mike Hanback quote:....but really this could be a GIANT problem...


I'm sure the ammo companies are more than aware of these stories and are either trying to prove or disprove them and/or looking @ more cost effective lead substitutes.

Between these stories, high raw material costs and some states trying to push legislation forcing the ammo companies to put serial numbers on handgun and AR ammo, I'd say the ammo companies have their hands full right now.

It'll be interesting to see how all this shakes out over time.

Jim


i wonder how much of the tested meat came from a locker plant (around here they through nothing out.......it goes to burger)
we butcher our own and avoid bloody torn up meat that could have pieces of any size. i recover many bullets on my muzzleloader deer, and the slug is usually 150-200 yard shot and is in the off side skin just barely protruding and exit whole......talk about perfect amount of energy....this happens alot.......we butchered 31 deer this season 1/2 were bow and 1/2 were muzzleloader .........i have weighed the remaining bullet and the have lost oalmost no lead just the copper jacket that is near entry hole. I am not concerned, we are very particular in our butchering and am more worried about bits of carbon from broken arrows!!!!!!!!

Is anyone going to be looking at bullets that boast 100% weight retention?

Hanback, perhaps you and your people could conduct some type of test of your own?

I'd like to see what you find out.

I can tell you this...the past two seasons I've helped out in a FHFH meat locker outside my home town. I can say with conviction, that lead particles are a real concern. We do our best to make sure that no tainted meat enters anyones packages. But, I doubt if all of the lead is detected.

What would some alternatives be? Just curious!

Mike, thanks for posting this info. Im very curious to see what will be found out after more testing has been done.

Hey, simple solution, just bowhunt!!! Throw those thundersticks away and just bowhunt all season! Or we can refer back to that old blog about shooting deer in the head.

What about all the other game shot with lead birdshot and rounds? I mean how many of us have ever worn a mask when cleaning our guns? I am sure running the brush up and down a barrel that lead bullets have been shot through leaves plenty of lead in the air. Sounds like a test for Myth-busters!! Dave

Well, neck shots take a lot of the lead away from the main body of the deer so I think I'll just keep on doing that. Although we use the neck meat for hamburger, too. I butcher my own deer then take it to the processor. I throw away any bloody meat or bullet tracked meat. I guess I ingest some lead but so far I'm still kicking. I agree this could start some real problems with bullet production.

i know this is wrong but my father tells his story at deer camp every year while hunting in 2004 he had a young buck come in at 75 yards he put his slug gun up and put it right on the throat patch squeezed the trigger when we went down to drag him out we couldn't find a bullet hole upon inspection of the head he found that the bullet passed throung the eye and out the ear no meat wasted there

What are high velocity bullets? Are slugs included????

I wouldn't get too worked up over this one. How much lead could possibly be in a package of burger? My guess is not very much at all. Just another topic that requires some common sense.

There's nothing better than getting out in the woods for awhile, especially when you cross the path of a huge 12 point buck.

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