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June 02, 2008

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if i find a stand on my spot that is not supposed to be there i take it down again and again and again. if they steal mine the i would re-hang the reposesed stand and hunt it. just a note put a Gorilla cable on, not cheap but will take a torch to cut it..... bolt cutters just mash the metal.

huntiing deer is easy....it's the politics of it and the competion with other human intrusion that makes it tough.....

i find that being more stubborn than anyone else will win the battle of who should be there....

I like the phrase "how bad do ya want it?"

Both of these require a call to the local Conservation police officer, and maybe a trail camera. Catch 'em in the act, create an evidence trail and prosecute 'em.

Makes sure your posted signs are visible on their likely entrance routes, watch for strange vehicles, etc. Communication with the sherrifs office and conservation police are key here. Make them KNOW you know what they are up to.

Very often these individuals will back out if they feel they are being watched...

Q1 - If someone put up a stand on my property.
1st - Leave a note (and leave the stand), you are on my property, contact me (leave phone number) to discuss property lines.
2nd - Leave a note (take the stand this time) Contact me (leave phone number)if you want your stand back.

Q2 - 1st -If the spot is that good, your stand should be there anyway. 2nd - start hunting there on your side of the line (often) to discourage the other hunter from hunting that location.
2nd - Use human scent to your advantage to keep deer out of your "Hardwood Flats",(hang up old shirts), again to discourage the other hunter from hunting there.
3rd - take to your neighbor about it.

Situation #1, I take the stand and go on. I don't leave anything of my own in the woods to be stolen, and usually the trespasser is going to take his loss and go on, or be subject to the law. I deal with situation #2 on regular basis and will approach the property line hunter and let them know that I will be taking any deer that they shoot that ends up on my hunting ground. If they want to play nice and move their stand further onto their property, then we can be buddies and be good neighbors.

Question 1 - Take stand down, leave a telephone number for the person to contact me so they can come and get their stand back.

If it happens a second time, leave the person a note thanking them for buying you 2 treestands.


Question 2 - Fence sitting happens all the time in deer hunting. As long as the person isn't shooting over your property line there really isn't much you can do.

You could try talking to the person (if they are reasonable).

You could put a stand on your property facing their stand and have a kind of mexican standoff, but I would imagine it will just escalate the problem.

If they shoot over the line (and you can prove it) call the game warden and see what they can do about it.

Or you could climb into their stand and take a giant crap in the seat everytime you are in the woods.

Jim

TDHowards suggestion about trail cameras brings up an interesting story.

A friend of mine tried that. The trespasser found the camera and the first time my friend found a nice digital image of someone's a$$. The next time he went to check his camera it was smashed it into a million pieces.

No evidence and he was out a couple of hundred dollars.

Jim

Always best to have plenty of posted signs along property borders as stated in prior comment. With todays hitech gadgets such as cell phone cameras, if you do happen upon a poacher make sure to snap a pic or get a video clip. If a stand has been erected illegally on your property, best policy is to call game warden. As far as border hunters go, keep a cheapo stand on your side of the fence even if you don't hunt it to keep them guessing as to whether or not you will be there. Another idea is, if legal, place corn or food plots away from border area so you can draw deer away from neighboring stands.

As for squatters sitting on the fenceline, I think the overriding theme of putting a posted sign on every tree facing that guy's stand is a good first step--once he knows you are watching he will usually stop and move. It is is right to hang and hunt and shoot on his side of the fence. My bottomline is that if I feel comfortable I have posted the spot and don't think he is gonna shoot over on me, I leave and go hunt somewhere else because I don't want to be near him, and hid pressure will push big deer anyhow. Also, a trip through the area on a 4-wheeler on you side of the fence every once in a while never hurts, wear orange in gun season.

on the far corner of our farm 4 properties join at one post a new guy came in and set up on a ridge between my uncle and neighbor (the neighbor is an awsoem guy that we do drives with all the time)
anyway the new guy cut down a tre on the fourth properties owner land and pushed it towards my uncles stand trying to knck it out of the tree
to recap: the trespasser cut 2 other hunters off
:cut timber on land that wasn't even his
:tried to ruin my uncles stand

there is a happpy ending all three of us called the game warden on him and he was caught baiting on the ridge lost his liscence for last year and the buck my uncle got walked right past his stand on opening mornig :>

# 1 - pull the stand and zip tie a no tresspassing sign to in. I would also put a couple red or orange zip ties on the stand so if it popped up in another area, I would know if it was the same one or a different one.

# 2 If the thick stuff on the neighbors is the only really nasty cover around be happy he is hunting on the edge and not in the middle. The hard woods flat means little if there is not a safe bedding area close by.

Since I hunt only private land in both instances we'd place a call to the sheriff and that would be the end to that.

#1 On my property I take the stand down and leave the number of the local police dept. not many people put up a stand that don't trim shooting lanes (damage)
#2 they have as much right to hunt their property as you do yours...IF I find they have dragged a deer from my land I contact the police and pay them a visit. I don't own the deer as they travel back and forth but I do have the right to enforce trespass laws on my property.

I should add that I expect anyone whom wounds a deer on their property that runs onto my land to make an effort to contact me so we both can trail the deer from the property line to recovery.
It's still hunting and that can happen but to sit the property line and snipe deer in one of my fields then make a dash for recovery is not only breaking the law but is an unsporting act the be punished by my wrath!

If #1 were to occur , I'd take the stand and leave a note with my name and number to have it returned.

As far #2 goes, since I typically hunt a very small piece of ground that I actually own, fence sitters are commonplace. I combat them by hunting early season and late seasons (archery and muzzleloader). These yoyo's are "one day wonders" that show up for two or three days in early December and shoot up the woods. In the last few years since it's gotten REALLY bad, I'm tending to avoid the woods on the first few days of gun season all together ...preferring to hunt the second week hard ...

The really funny thing is that last fall I filled my archery buck tag on the last day of archery season (2 weeks before fence sitting season opened ) and then after driving 6 drives on opening morning of "creeper" season with some friends, I had an oppurtunity to fill my doe tag on my own ground AFTER walking the property lines in blaze orange to wave at all my "friends" and let them know I'm still around ...

The deer use my scrub as a safety zone when the shooting starts, so I just moseyed down thru the brush easy and darned if that doe didn't just materialze right in front of me at 30 yards ...

Laughed my A$$ off all the way to the meat pole (both times) ...

Just goes to show, if you have 10 acres or 10,000 , you got to be in the right place at the right time .. the key is knowing when / which is right.

Fencesitters don't always know that, they're just lazy SOB's that prefer to let someone else do that work for them.

Archer

Thanks guys, I found both of these intances last year on my Grandpa's land. I was only there for part of Dec. (part of Bow, and Black powder season). So I was not able to take care of the problems. Other people were involved that I could not contact.

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